tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post115078405728160308..comments2023-06-18T10:44:57.096-05:00Comments on Bread Crusts: Blue Thread 2.0Christopher C. NChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15621322814577793080noreply@blogger.comBlogger173125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156944491964557532006-08-30T08:28:00.000-05:002006-08-30T08:28:00.000-05:00Debbie, it's ironic that Cheney, who would never h...Debbie, it's ironic that Cheney, who would never have been elected president, is virtually running the country. It's like GWB made a deal with the devil...you can be president if we (neo-cons) can implement our agenda.danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17241205542202429287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156879670159381312006-08-29T14:27:00.000-05:002006-08-29T14:27:00.000-05:00That address is is a free account that I use when ...That address is is a free account that I use when I publicize an address. It has its own spam filter in addition to one I can apply to it. Your message was rejected on the basis of the ISP from which they have had large quantities of spam and/or worms and viruses. It did sequester your message in its "bulk mail" box. It was not sent to my normal email box.<BR/><BR/>I don't know much more than that about how the system works, but they seem to be concerned about interaction between their site and yours.<BR/><BR/>I do run my own Norton firewall.<BR/><BR/>ryRichard Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05507647991337952177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156853498430593032006-08-29T07:11:00.000-05:002006-08-29T07:11:00.000-05:00See Dick Run (the Country)Just another facet of ou...<A HREF="http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=11926" REL="nofollow">See Dick Run (the Country)</A><BR/><BR/>Just another facet of our current government that the media can't see, due to their corporate blinders I presume.debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659187165382944735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156802284169979282006-08-28T16:58:00.000-05:002006-08-28T16:58:00.000-05:00Judy, Thanks for forwarding that letter. Unfortun...Judy, <BR/><BR/>Thanks for forwarding that letter. Unfortunately, the battle isn't over, although Stevens won't be involved much longer. <BR/><BR/>[Tried to reply the usual way, but my ISP put your original in the Spam Bin and blocked it outgoing as a known Spam rich site.]Richard Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05507647991337952177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156748873899356252006-08-28T02:07:00.000-05:002006-08-28T02:07:00.000-05:00While everyone's searching for the quote, I though...While everyone's searching for the quote, I thought it'd be all right to post a link to one of the Israeli blogs here. It's hosted by a woman named Lisa Goldman. She provides dozens of links to other middle eastern blogs on her blog roll.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://ontheface.blogware.com/" REL="nofollow">On the Face</A>christin m p in massachusettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286830884358791544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156730727506820892006-08-27T21:05:00.000-05:002006-08-27T21:05:00.000-05:00Christopher, I did a search and nada...let us know...Christopher, I did a search and nada...let us know if you ever find it.<BR/><BR/>LOL Richard...is the net big enough to hold every word ever written?debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659187165382944735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156725624112906942006-08-27T19:40:00.000-05:002006-08-27T19:40:00.000-05:00It may have been something along the lines of "The...It may have been something along the lines of "The people who control the media control the national discussion."Christopher C. NChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15621322814577793080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156725148457551542006-08-27T19:32:00.000-05:002006-08-27T19:32:00.000-05:00"Do you mean you're being censored by another Dele..."Do you mean you're being censored by another Deletriss again?"<BR/><BR/>No Christina there seems to be some sort of delay in comments registering on Blogger in the last few days. Some times their photo upload doesn't work either. I am sure it is a computer program clitch of some sort.<BR/><BR/>I read the Morrow Wikipedia quotes and many others and could not find the one that is lodged in my brain. The quote from Goebbels is closest to the thought Morrow was expressing as a warning about losing what Jefferson saw as so important.<BR/><BR/>Morrow's RTNDA Convention Speech (1958)that I read in its entirety is very pertinent to the Fairness Doctrine.<BR/><BR/>I have this vision in my head of him saying something about corporate control of the media and the danger that posed. I don't know if I saw that as a ad blurb for Clooney's movie or on PBS. Must not have been one of his more memorable quotesChristopher C. NChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15621322814577793080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156709809385367992006-08-27T15:16:00.000-05:002006-08-27T15:16:00.000-05:00On WikiQuote:Do you suppose that the ultimate end ...On WikiQuote:<BR/><BR/>Do you suppose that the ultimate end of such a collection would be the sum total of everything ever written? Just indexed.Richard Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05507647991337952177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156709731657145312006-08-27T15:15:00.000-05:002006-08-27T15:15:00.000-05:00Christin, you got me curious, so I checked out The...Christin, you got me curious, so I checked out <A HREF="http://www.anonymousliberal.com/" REL="nofollow">The Incomprehensible War</A>and the comments. The AL post was well worth reading as were Christopher's comments on the post and to the jerk.danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17241205542202429287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156699837618780642006-08-27T12:30:00.000-05:002006-08-27T12:30:00.000-05:00One more message to Christopher: I got quite a ki...One more message to Christopher: I got quite a kick out of your second comment (the one to Anonymous Circle Jerker) at the August 23rd post <I>The Incomprehensible War</I> at The Anonymous Liberal.christin m p in massachusettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286830884358791544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156697571063577902006-08-27T11:52:00.000-05:002006-08-27T11:52:00.000-05:00Are y'all aware of Wikiquote?Edward R. Murrow page...Are y'all aware of <A HREF="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page" REL="nofollow">Wikiquote?</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edward_R._Murrow" REL="nofollow">Edward R. Murrow</A> page.debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659187165382944735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156690290038009172006-08-27T09:51:00.000-05:002006-08-27T09:51:00.000-05:00Two quotes that I found:"He who controls the mediu...Two quotes that I found:<BR/><BR/>"He who controls the medium controls the message. He who controls the message controls the masses." Joseph Goebbels<BR/><BR/>"The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary to keep the waters pure." Thomas JeffersonCherylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12367467798229082341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156674137389185352006-08-27T05:22:00.000-05:002006-08-27T05:22:00.000-05:00Christopher,Do you mean you're being censored by a...Christopher,<BR/>Do you mean you're being censored by another Deletriss again?<BR/><BR/>I just got a comment rejected by a forum moderator recently, because I was personally attacking a troll. He must have been bored or something, because he was goading everyone in every forum at the site, so naturally everyone was jumping all over him. I'm sure a lot of the comments against him were censored. Anyway, my choice of words to describe him were a bit inflammatory, but I figured it would still pass, since there was nothing libelous or vulgar in it.<BR/><BR/>They sent me an email telling me that I was welcome to rewrite my comment. So I waited a day to cool off, did some research so I could back up my statements, and rewrote the comment. The troll ended up admitting that I was right about his being an "abrasive jerk", and apologized to me saying I probably shouldn't have been one of the recipients of his ire. His excuse was that I happened to walk into the forum when he was already on the defensive.<BR/><BR/>I never want to go back to that site again. I would end up with stomach ulcers if I did.christin m p in massachusettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286830884358791544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156668290807746022006-08-27T03:44:00.000-05:002006-08-27T03:44:00.000-05:00Currently, Jim Morrison gets credit for the quote....Currently, Jim Morrison gets credit for the quote. However, it has appeared in various forms, from Locke to Ginsberg to CNN's talking heads.<BR/><BR/>Pithy as always, and in an attempt to not leave Murrow out:<BR/><BR/>"We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. " Edward R. MurrowRichard Yarnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05507647991337952177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156655495951554692006-08-27T00:11:00.000-05:002006-08-27T00:11:00.000-05:00Hmmm some of my comments seem to be getting kicked...Hmmm some of my comments seem to be getting kicked to the curb today. I have noticed some weirdness on other Blogger comment pages.<BR/><BR/>Any way, Edward R Murrow made a statement about the people who own the media control the dialoque and the danger that posed to the nation. I have searched high and low for this quote.<BR/><BR/>Do any of you recognize this and where to find it?Christopher C. NChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15621322814577793080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156654279116828202006-08-26T23:51:00.000-05:002006-08-26T23:51:00.000-05:00I have been searching high and low again, because ...I have been searching high and low again, because it keeps being relevant for a quote by Edward R Murrow. In essense he says that who ever owns the media controls the dialogue and thus the minds of the nation. <BR/><BR/>Do any of you know what statement of Murrow's I am talking about and where to find it?Christopher C. NChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15621322814577793080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156649812560178072006-08-26T22:36:00.000-05:002006-08-26T22:36:00.000-05:00Bush's last press conference was edited by CBS & N...Bush's last press conference was edited by CBS & NBC to leave out the "sometimes I'm happy" comment about Iraq.<BR/><BR/>There's a letter writing campaign to ask them why.<BR/><BR/>http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0825-10.htm<BR/><BR/>This reminds me of a study I heard of years ago. News reports on Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy were compared to list the adjectives used to describe each of them. The choice of adjectives makes a lot of difference in perception. Decisive vs stuborn, etc.Cherylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12367467798229082341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156646316724525382006-08-26T21:38:00.000-05:002006-08-26T21:38:00.000-05:00Not completely ignored...but it REALLY is what I h...Not completely ignored...but it REALLY is what I have been harping about for...well, for forever. <BR/><BR/>I started seeing the media discrepancy of how our media treated blue vs. red politicians with Carter. Dems are raked over the coals and Repubs are teflon...and it holds true from city gov'ts to the Whitehouse.<BR/><BR/>Did you know that the whole time Newt was condemning Clinton for his immoral behavior with Monica that Newt was having a legnthy affair with an intern? It even gets better...Newt brought divorce papers to the hospital after his 3rd wife had cancer surgery because in he said she had been avoiding signing the divorce papers...a media outlet couldn't invent juicier stuff than that, and tell me it wouldn't sell tons of papers and get people to tune in on TV...but it got very little attention.<BR/><BR/>There are several organizations that point out the inconsistancy of how dems and reps are treated in the media. Fairness and Accuracy in Media; Fair are 2 of the most famous. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7596-2002Nov18?language=printer" REL="nofollow">A Course of 'Confident Action'</A> is an article which gives the quote and references to when it was stated. You will notice that the article downplays the statement in the next paragraph...covering up for Repubs in power is something the media regularly does.debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659187165382944735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156643013972950752006-08-26T20:43:00.000-05:002006-08-26T20:43:00.000-05:00Deb, I just read the article from the Hightower Lo...Deb, I just read the article from the Hightower Lowdown, and I can't get over the fact that Bush actually had the <I>brass</I> to say this:<BR/><BR/>"I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to <I>explain why</I> I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the president. Maybe somebody needs to <I>explain to me</I> why they say something, but <I>I don't feel like I owe anybody</I> an explanation."<BR/> George W., August, 2002.<BR/><BR/>I had never heard in any TV news broadcasts, and I had never before read in any publications, that statement made by him. Did I just miss that news or was it ignored by the media?christin m p in massachusettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286830884358791544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156588674562803882006-08-26T05:37:00.000-05:002006-08-26T05:37:00.000-05:00Speaking of emotional words...the Lowdown has bec...Speaking of emotional words...the <A HREF="http://www.alternet.org/story/40678/" REL="nofollow"> Lowdown</A> has become a favorite publication of mine...seriousness with a touch of humor. Jim Hightower, Molly Ivans, Ann Richards...maybe Texas inspires it;-odebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659187165382944735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156588289517683822006-08-26T05:31:00.000-05:002006-08-26T05:31:00.000-05:00Body language is what is missing on a blog. I sup...Body language is what is missing on a blog. I suppose those ingenious people who came up with the little signs for emotion figured that one out;-o<BR/><BR/>Then again there are writers that put that emotion into their words (maybe Hawaii inspires it). <BR/><BR/>JG, How are you doing?debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659187165382944735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156471377508169452006-08-24T21:02:00.000-05:002006-08-24T21:02:00.000-05:00Regarding the position of the eyes, I'm not sure a...Regarding the position of the eyes, I'm not sure about what to make of <I>all</I> the different positions of the eyes, but I disagree on the common thinking that "if someone is looking you straight in the eye, then he must be telling the truth..." I've more often experienced the opposite happening -- where someone who looks me straight in the eye and confirms or denies something, and then it turns out that they were lying -- like the "good actors" that Deb was talking about. And in those cases, the lies turned out not to be "little white lies" or simply to maintain personal privacy. They turned out to be ones that enabled them to get away with committing immoral hurtful acts. Con artists NEVER avert their eyes. If someone stares straight into my eyes the entire time they are trying to "sell me" on something, I automatically do not trust them -- I get the distinct feeling I'm being conned. I feel most comfortable if the person at least occasionally averts the eyes -- it just seems more natural.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I've known very honest, decent people who barely ever look straight at someone when they are conversing, simply because they are very shy or self-conscious. Also, there are cultures that consider it impudent or disrespectful to look someone straight in the eye the entire time you are speaking to or listening to each other.christin m p in massachusettshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17286830884358791544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156407899402806172006-08-24T03:24:00.000-05:002006-08-24T03:24:00.000-05:00He may have accidentally come clean when he said "...He may have accidentally come clean when he said "Nothing", but he back peddles right away.<BR/><BR/>nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein <B>ordered</B> the attack.<BR/><BR/>were <B>ordered</B> by Iraq.<BR/><BR/>That still leaves a great deal of room for people to feel Iraq was involved in some manner even if Saddam didn't <B>order</B> the attack.<BR/><BR/>It is just more Weaselness.Christopher C. NChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15621322814577793080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20837874.post-1156386985716413812006-08-23T21:36:00.000-05:002006-08-23T21:36:00.000-05:00Thanks for all of the compliments:)You don't have ...Thanks for all of the compliments:)<BR/><BR/>You don't have to leave the political thread JG to be "safer"...I promise that I won't reach out and bite;)<BR/><BR/>The political atmosphere has enabled me to see new things. I easily can tell when some people are lying, I used to think that all adults could see this, but now I know that many if not most can't. I think it's from teaching kindergarten for years. Humans experiment with lying around the age of 4 or 5. If you ask a 3 year old if he hit first, he'll say "Yes, but he had the truck and I wanted it." If you ask the same question of a 5 year old you can see this averted glance and a pause and then a "eureka (yeah, that's the ticket)" look before they answer with "no, he hit me first".<BR/><BR/>Actors, who are good, are able to become someone else so convincingly that you can't tell they are lying. A really bad actor is someone who just can't so it. I once saw Vanna White in a sitcom and it was just so obvious that she didn't believe anything that she was saying...really BAD acting. Actors who are fabulous are the ones who are so believable as the character that they can even convince us that the character is lying from time to time. Anyway, lying without certain facial and eye movement clues really is an art. Bush completely lacks that skill, as do many of the "talking heads" who are promoting the current political agenda. <BR/><BR/>I don't think that I am completely unique at seeing when someone is lying...but perhaps it is a skill that must be studied. A person who is trying hard to answer honestly and to the best of his knowledge might furrow their brows and "study" a point in space in front of them, a liar has that "creative" off side look.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, this is the main reason I have all but stopped watching news on TV...I am fed up with the liars. And you might be surprised who all is involved. I've seen people like Larry King and Charlie Rose trip over a "biased" question. I could tell that they "knew" that what they were asking was intentional propaganda type bias. But, the people who didn't spread the message have lost their jobs and the ones that are still there know that their jobs are dependent upon their not seeing that the emperor has no clothes.<BR/><BR/>And occasionally they come clean:<BR/><BR/>Transcript from Fox news aug.21<BR/><BR/>BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. <BR/><BR/>QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?<BR/><BR/>BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what? <BR/><BR/>QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center. <BR/><BR/>BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.debhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06659187165382944735noreply@blogger.com