Sunday, January 29, 2006


Post and discuss.


Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Here is some Art!


Marilynn M said...

I like it. It's like the "I've Been Everywhere" song. Thanks for the smile.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

That is the tailgate of my first work truck. Like the first dollar bill of your business and it hangs on my living room wall. It certainly catches people's attention when they see it for the first time.

Marilynn I have noticed that when I leave and come back here that the pages do not automatically refresh to show that new comments have been posted. I learned I needed use the refresh button myself to check for new comments. I do not know if this is just how it is with this program/format or what and if your talented grandaughter can fix it, but it may be good to let people know to hit refresh when they pull up a new page to be sure.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Hi Deb,

The link thingy is a new piece of HTML code I learned. It is like the B code. You insert the address and the word you want, for me it was ART, to be the actual link.

The code is < A HREF="address" > and the WORD you want < /A > Eliminate the spaces except for the one between A+HREF. The whole http address goes where it says address inside the " marks."

Here is your film link.


skids said...

Do haikus count?

My few haikus

deb said...

Robert Cray Band video:

Dan/Mi said...

Deb .....That video has left me speechless.

deb said...

Another generation Dan. Will we ever learn?

deb said...

Matthew 18:3
And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

I was once asked by a minister what this verse of the Bible meant. I thought about it for a few days as a mother, teacher, and remembering my own childhood.

As a child I watched the horrors of Viet Nam on the nightly news every day. As a child there was no justifying it, I knew it was bad, horribly bad and I never understood why the adults didn't just quit doing that.

I told the minister that certain things were right and wrong and we are born knowing it when we see it, but as adults we tend to justify wrong actions and start to believe in those excuses.

I believe there are times when we must fight. I supported us going into Afghanistan. This should have never become a "war on terror" it should be a "war on al queda". We could have turned Afghanistan into a great country, rid it of the taliban, destroyed al queda with the help of the world, and even built those military bases there, pity for all of us that there's no oil there.

As horrible as the nightly news from Viet Nam was, it did educate us. It showed us enough that the country stood up and stopped it. With Iraq we are supposed to put our flag and "support our troops" stickers on our car and then go and pay attention to who is going to be the next American Idol. The war mongers have wised up, keep the war (and everything else) under the radar.

Dan "thank you" just sounds tacky, but I don't know of any other words that would express the sincere emotion I feel toward a soldier who fought in Viet Nam or any war, so THANK YOU!

"No soldier stands alone in a battlefield"

General Wes Clark has an excellent plan to get the US out of Iraq, it would entail us giving up all rights to the oil. He would enlist the help of the rest of the world to come in and oversee the start of the new government. While any choice at this point will not fix all that has been done, his is the best that I have read.

deb said...

from TPM Cafe

Tom DeLay Denies All Charges (As Told by Dr. Seuss)

By witlist

That Abramoff!
That Abramoff!
I do not like that Abramoff!
"Would you like to play some golf?"

I do not want to play some golf.
I do not want to, Abramoff.

"We could fly you there for free.
Off to Scotland, by the sea."

I do not want to fly for free.
I don't like Scotland by the sea.
I do not want to play some golf.
I do not want to, Abramoff.

"Would you, could you, take this bribe?
Could you, would you, for the tribe?"

I would not, could not, take this bribe.
I could not, would not, for the tribe.

"If we strong armed corporations
Into giving you donations?
They'd be funnelled to your PAC.
Would you then cut us some slack?"

I would not, could not, cut you slack.
I do not care about my PAC.
I do not want to play some golf.
I do not want to, Abramoff.

"A plane! A plane! A plane! A plane!
Would you, could you, for a plane?"

I could not, would not, for a plane.
Not for a bribe, not for the tribe.
Not for donations from corporations.
Not for my PAC, not for some slack.
Not from any schmoe named Jack.

"Would you help us buy some ships
Perfect for quick gambling trips?
Talk to people in the know
For a little quid pro quo?
Oh come now, don't be a snob.
Let us give your wife a job."

I will not help you buy some ships.
I do not wish for gambling trips.
My wife does not need a job
Even if she is a snob.
We do not like bribes, can't you see?
Why won't you just let me be?

"You do not like bribes, so you say.
Try them, try them, and you may.
Try them and you may, I say."

Jack. If you will let me be
I will try them, then you'll see.

Say.... I do like playing golf!
I like it, I do, Abramoff!
I do like Scotland by the sea.
It's such a thrilling place to be!
And I will take this bribe.
And I will help the tribe.
And I will take donations
From big corporations.
And I will help you buy some ships.
And I will take quick gambling trips.
Say, I'll give anyone the shaft
As long as it involves some graft!

I do so like playing golf!
Thank you! Thank you,

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Deb, I like your Dr. Suess submission. The Cray Band video has stuck with me too. It has a haunting sadness that pops up in my mind during the day.

I also grew up watching Vietnam on TV and what I remember most from that time is watching my mother cry when seeing it on the news. The worst part of that time was that at the age of 12 to 14, 1970 to 1972 my own father telling me that if I was called up then it was my duty to go. It does not help a young man much to know his father is willing to sacrifice his son for a war that most by that time felt was wrong.

Now back to Art.
In The Garden

Marilynn M said...

Deb, the key word here is oil. They won't give it up.
Debbie said:
"General Wes Clark has an excellent plan to get the US out of Iraq, it would entail us giving up all rights to the oil. He would enlist the help of the rest of the world to come in and oversee the start of the new government. While any choice at this point will not fix all that has been done, his is the best that I have read."

That is exactly what should be done. I'm not sure any other country would go for it with GWB in office. They don't trust him either.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

I found this on the internet a few months back and would attribute the artist if I knew who it was.

Patriot Inaction

deb said...

Trip to wonderland. This is really wild, scroll down from the first's supposed to start blurry. Click on the rabbit hole.

stream of consciousness art

deb said...

Thought you might like this one Christopher.

flowersky reaches by Strata Chalup

Anonymous said...

go vote

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

I will have to learn a lot more html to do a stream of consciousness project.

Under the Buttercup Tree

Flowers I have no shortage of. I am a bit obscessed with my Buttercup Tree.

deb said...

Orion Nebula

deb said...

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell

deb said...

Y'all don't hold this against me...but I knew Christopher would love it;)

LARD OF THE WINGS: gotta ketchup with this election

dan said...

I guess I haven't been back to this thread for a long time, I've missed a lot.

Your last link was awesome but I can't pretend I picked up on all the symbolism...I'll probably look at it a couple more times.

Reading the Bertrand Russel quote I immeadiatly thought of our president.

I went to the Wes Clark website and he does seem to be a man of great substance. Plus I trust your judgement.

dan said...


The Viet Nam war was just traject for everyone. The country is still divided over the unresolved issues.

Older Americans were mostly trusting patriots who believed in "duty,honor,country". Many young people facing conscription, and a war that didn't make sense, had a painful choise. Go fight a war they felt was immoral or resist and face the wrath from society and possibly their own parents.

I've never seen the country so divided, with two groops feeling so passionate about their beliefs. It was traject for the brave youths who went to war but equally traject for the people that took a moral stand against it.

So deb, I don't deserve your thanks as much as either of the groups I just described. I went to war because I was drafted and didn't want to go to jail. I returned home and worked hard to end the war, but that didn't take the courage that it took to avoid the draft. There were plenty of heros, but I wasn't one of them.

Things are much different now. With no draft and the war costs hidden with debt, protests have been far less dramatic.

Sorry for rambling on. It's just that once again youths are dying. We don't seem to have learned a thing.

dan said...

It's tragic how I spot spelling mistakes right after I post.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

The blog is running slow tonight.

The Lard of the Wings was way cool. I got through about four pages and had to come back and tell you. I'll have to go back and see how far it goes.

Dan it took me a bit to realize you meant tragic and not some variant of trajectory. You do indeed deserve our thanks just for being willing to serve. I have a friend in Iraq now and she tried to retire at 23 years and they would not let her so she had to go. I respect her decision not to fight it and do what she signed up for. People have to decide what is right for their own situations.

She brought me a hat from Camp Echo Iraq on her two week vacation back home. I didn't know what to do with it so I wrote a crummy poem about it for her and performed it live at a poetry slam in front of a tie dyed, new age, rage against the machine crowd.

My Hat from Iraq

dan said...

"...I wrote a crummy poem..."

That poem, like the rest of your art you've shared with us, is awesome.

dan said...


Where do you find this stuff? It took me a few trips to that web page before I got to the final screen. I'd love to have you explain all the symbolism to us.

deb said...

Dan, I *really* don't like that kind of stuff, but when I saw it, it reminded me of the Patriot Inaction caricature. One of my kids appreciates that type of symbolism, and since Christopher had posted the link to the other I figured he might be like her, and want to see it.

I tend to be fascinated that people are able to create interactive web sites. I just learned to do the link thing, and for someone to do the "Lard" or the "stream of consciousness" amazes me all in itself. Can't ya just imagine all of the < A href= stuff that has to be done to produce them?

dan said...

I'm enjoying being exposed to high tech art and I also marvel at the skill involved.
In spite of your fine instuction, I'm still not successful creating links most of the time. The procedure seems fairly simple and I've had occasional success, so I'm not sure why I still have failures. It's hard to ask a detailed question because I get things like "tag not allowed" or "open tag". So I'm in awe of people with even modest skills and I don't seem destined to join their ranks.

deb said...

I know what you mean about the href stuff. Fortunately, Marilynn set me up as a blog admin. and I can remove a post that doesn't turn out right;)

If you want to practice there is a thread at the bottom of the site that nobody uses. I'll post the instructions again down there. It's at the bottom of the Andy Stern letter. Practice away, I'll go back and delete them when you have it mastered.

PS This goes for anybody else wanting to learn the link thing.

dan said...

Thanks,I'll give it a try.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

You can remove your own post as well. That is what the trashcan is for. It only appears by the bottom of my comments no one elses and I have used it on occasion when I messed up.

When I wanted to learn some simple HTML code for links and font or whatever, I just Googled it. Here is a whole page of HTML code, more than you will ever need to know.

Different sites will accept only some code. The blogger here would not let me do colored text.

It took a while but I finally got to the last page of the Lard of the Wings. It was a bit of a disappointment, nothing flashy or dramatic. After a few pages it got very Ninja ranger which is not my style for sure. I found the guys home page who did this and it is a portfolia of a lot of his work. There is some other very interesting stuff there.
Kenneth Tin_Kin Hung

dan said...

I'll take a pass on the HTML code site for now, but it's nice to know where to find it.
I went to "Kenneth Tin_Kin Hung" and it is an interesting body of work.
I've used the trash can myself occasionally and probably should have more often.

deb said...

I suppose humour is art...

The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington mid-term chemistry exam. The answer by one student to the bonus question was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different Religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over. The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct... leaving only Heaven and thereby proving the existence of a divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting, "Oh my God."


dan said...

Thanks for sharing that very funny story. I'm a little skeptical whether the event actually happened but the author deserves an "A" regardless. I also feel great personal relief that Hell may be extinct.

deb said...

I'm sure it's not a "true story", and I wish I had deleted that last part designed to appeal to young male fantasy. I found the philosophy intriguing.

Did you know that in the words of Jesus (his quotes) that satan, the devil, or hell are mostly metaphors? An example: Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

Jesus only mentions these 3 words a handful of times. It seems to me that they didn't hold much importance to him.

dan said...

I'm pretty illiterate about the bible, but I'm not surprised that that some of Jesus's metaphors have taken on more importance then he intended. Although I'm not religious, I suspect Jesus's messages about love were his most important.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

The Oil Bourse got me to thinking and writing.


It is my longest piece yet so get comfy and please feel free to leave a comment even if it doesn't work for you. Constuctive criticism is welcome.

deb said...

CC...just saw the new story...will read soon.

Was e-mailed this link, it is GOOD!

Pirates and Emperors

deb said...

Christopher, You have a talent.

I agree that the story could happen, but I don't think the bourse will be the downfall of the USD. If anything it will force us into alternative energy. Which will give jobs to Americans, clean up the air, and hopefully slow down the global warming. Can you just imagine how well the economy will be if we keep all of the money we spend on oil here in the US? What if solar roofs become the norm, and biofuel was grown by our farmers, and plug-in hybrids were being made here in the US? There will certainly be some ruts in the road getting from here to there, and the corporations that stand to loose will keep pushing for the status quo, but, I *totally* believe that it can and will be done.

BTW I recently moved from the Gulf Coast to the NC mountains...tiny little town where I go hiking every day, and walk to the post office. There is no traffic light in town. I am building a small energy efficient "green" house, going to plant some fruit trees, grow a little garden, and kick back and enjoy life. So, I identify with the character in your story:)

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Being a fan of the History, Discovery and PBS channels, though I don't watch near as much TV since I got this computer, I totally get the deja vu quality of that video.

The words, labels, uniforms and tools may change but human nature is very slow to change. It is just more of the same old story. The only real part I get to decide is what role do I want to play in this human drama.

As I was about to post I see you added a comment. Yes your option is very real too, we just may be forced there by pain first. Maybe I did not play it up enough in the story, but yes life went on, even power and autos but I didn't want to make it to long. I think of these as writing exercises that are changable or parts for future additions.

North Carolina mountains you say. Any where near Waynesville where my folks have 12 acres and spend about 8 months a year. My mom keeps trying to get me to move to NC.

Judy B. said...

Deb said.."... and walk to the post office. There is no traffic light in town...." etc..
i identify with that too...reminds me of the small town I grew up in in Kansas... Nostalgia is nice, but i would rarther live in
washington... We have gotten out of town to 23 acres where the elk roam... and trample my gardens...
Beautiful setting; unfortunately taxes and health concerns may make us sell...
Christopher, your story telling is an ART... I forwarded it to a friend in Hawaii..

Judy B. said...

Deb said..."..but I don't think the bourse will be the downfall of the USD. If anything it will force us into alternative energy."
Ihope you are right Deb... I am usually a "glass is half full " kind of a person, but todays news..
Supreme court and abortion
Supreme Court and water rights
"selling" our ports
and all the other small headlines about small countries and oil and currency is cause for concern...

Seems like they put so many issues on the table that we can't keep trck of them all...
Guess we (good government groups) need to specialize in areas of interestso we are ready to raise the alarm and ask probing questions...

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Thanks for the compliment Judy. No one yet has said my writing was bad and I keep asking different people so I guess it is ok. There is an annual writers conference here on Maui, maybe I will go to the next one.

I have to agree that there are so many issues about this WhiteHouse, government and politicians that it is a bit overwhelming. Focusing in on a couple is probably the best route. Even on this blog I have not been able to be involved in all the topics. I still have to work during the day and then feed and clean myself before bed.

deb said...

Christopher, some things are talent. I know that some things cannot be taught. I can never be a great writer...I've actually tried to write to no avail.

I sometimes try to sing, too...but Whitney Houston has nothing to fear from me;)

I am a good teacher, I've taught both children and adults. What makes a person a good teacher, also, cannot be taught. With teaching it is the ability to help each individual along their particular path. As a teacher I *do* have the ability to see talent, and you really do have it.

If you start publishing don't be discouraged when asked to rework sentences and paragraphs. They are just the form...the real talent lies in being able to take the reader away from a written page into a world that has little to do with black letters on a white page.

Keep writing!

deb said...


You've probably 2 main issues are


BUY BLUE (or at least buy from those that don't donate anything)

I push both of these issues every chance that I get.

Did you ever contact the unions in your area about buying blue?

deb said...

Sorry to keep on about writing, but one of my pet peeves is text books. Have you looked at a text book lately...there is no way to "get into" the story. If we had real writers and journalists writing text books our children would be so much smarter.

What if history was written more like this:

Imagine standing in the crowd on the huge open plain named Gettysburg when a 6'4" tall man dressed in black and wearing a tall top hat ambles up to the podium. He clears his voice, he nods to some of the people in the crowd, and he starts to speak. "Four score....

If any of you serve on school boards please keep it in mind.

Judy B. said...

This is an article about Art and Walmart:

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

I think Wal Art would come under the heading of Irony.

dan said...

John Lennon dreamed of a more peaceful world.


dan said...

A song made famous by Louis Armstrong reflected on the beauty of life.

Wonderful World

Richard Yarnell said...

And Tom Lehrer tells it like it is:

They are rioting in Africa, they’re starving in Spain
There are hurricanes in Florida and Texas needs rain
The whole world is festering with unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans, the Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs, South Africans hate the Dutch
And we don’t like anybody very much

But we can be thankful and tranquil and proud
Man’s been endowed with a mushroom-shaped cloud
("Lllovely!” “Thank you.")
And we know for certain that some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off
("Smashing!” “Yes!")
And we will all be blown away

They are rioting in Africa, there’s strife in Iran
What nature doesn’t do to us
Will be done by our fellow man

dan said...

That song sums things up very well. I wasn't familar with the songs of Tom Lehrer. He's a clever and insightful lyricist.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

The Wonderful World is giving me a headache today both here at home and the bigger World out there.

Richard Yarnell said...

You should try to find the LP's (you have kept at least one turntable, right?) He performed them on, I believe, 3 albums.

dan said...

I stumbled on a promo for some new folk songs.

Folk Songs Of The Far Right

deb said...

"Beware, all too often we say what we hear others say. We think what we are told that we think. We see what we are permitted to see. Worse, we see what we are told that we see. Repetition and pride are the keys to this. To hear and to see even an obvious lie again and again and again, maybe to say it almost by reflex, and then to defend it because we have said it, and at last to embrace it because we've defended it."
Octavia Butler

dan said...

Octavia shows a great understanding of the nature and power of propaganda.

Judy B. said...

After all this talk about music, i had my girls dig into my furnace room and pull out aou old quadrophonic system.. Don't know why I have been keeping it. today my hubby is going to see if he can get it to work. If it does may spend the rest of the day listening to old records.

deb said...

This is cute...Hawaii weather report by a hand puppet. Go to the Lurkah thread and click where it says "this link".

Hawaii weather

dan said...

Cute and funny!

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

I think I may have actually seen that when it was done originally because it had a familiar feel. It was very very funny.

deb said...

Definition of fundamentalism,
“the nagging fear that someone, somewhere, is enjoying himself.”
Author Unknown

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

I saw Charlie last Sunday and I know he is enjoying his new career.
One of my favorites is Mac the Wonder Cat. You can click on each picture for a bigger view.

deb said...


Thanks Judy;)

deb said...

Thanks Christopher. I really like Nalepa's work. I agree about Mac the wonder cat:)

dan said...

Your friend Charlie is enjoying life and making beautiful art. I suddenly long for Spring.
That puzzle is "way cool."

deb said...

Wanna Stop This From Happening

dan said...

Thanks to ACLU and Deb for putting the spotlight on Big Brother who's always lurking in the shadows.

dan said...

This was part of the Republican Party platform in 2000.

Privacy and Secure Technologies

"Government also has a responsibility to protect personal privacy, which is the single greatest concern Americans now have about the Information Revolution. Citizens must have the confidence that their personal privacy will be respected in the use of technology by both business and government. That privacy is an essential part of our personal freedom and our family life, and it must not be sacrificed in the name of progress..."

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Art from Judy to trick the eye.
From Judy Originally

dan said...

I can't open your link. Clicking on it takes me to the Passport Network sign in page.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Dan just try it again. It works fine for me or try it in the administration thread. Or you may need to leave the blog come back and try. These computers do some funky weird things sometimes. Your click may have jumped off onto the wrong fiber optic light beam.

I'll check and see if it is something else though.

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Ok I am trying again. I think I created a private file that only I could get into. There has to be an easier way than what I have done now.

Judy's Eyeball Exercise

dan said...

Same on link...delay...then a jump to MSN account services.
FYI, I began signing up for Passport Network last night, then desided to unsubscribe untill I could read more about it. Maybe that is causing me problems today? I can still open all the old links on our blog.

Judy B. said...

If this link is what I think it is, I sent it by email to Debbie to post.. I guess she sent it to you Christopher...
Anyway, i get lots of stuff by email that doesn't seem to have a web address and don't know how you managfe to find one/and/or post them anyway...
Thanks for your effort...
If you want to send me you email address i will forward these as they come...might even be easier that way..

Christopher C. in Hawaii said...

Yes I was able to post it on the web on an MSN Group. It seems though you have to have an overall MSN account like having a Yahoo account or it won't let you in.
I won't be able to do anything else till Monday. I am sure there is another way I just do not know what it is at the moment.

So much for my brief tenure as a computer savant.

deb said...

I see I started something...didn't mean to...thanks Christopher.

I've been busy meeting my state rep. at a fundraiser last night, and have been invited to come to Raleigh for a personal tour of the Capitol.

The night before it was a meeting for sustained growth in this area. It is awesomely beautiful here, but it seems that Jeff and I aren't the only ones from else where that have figured it out. Right now this county is totally undeveloped, but it seems that people are starting to come in droves, so we are trying to set up regulations to keep it from becoming typical urban sprawl.

Plus, we have finally started on the I *actually* have to work in the day;)